Episode 2 – What Is Embodied Awakening?

This is The Three Petals podcast hosted by Jim Trofatter. The Three Petals is dedicated to exploring the threefold journey of spiritual awakening, where awareness, embodiment, and mutuality intertwine to create a vibrant, transformative life and represents a new paradigm for enlighten living.

In each episode, we’ll delve into what it means to truly inhabit our human experience, while opening our hearts and minds to the infinite nature of consciousness. Whether you’re completely new to this path or have been on a spiritual journey for years, The Three Petals will offer insights, practices, and compassionate guidance to help you deepen your connection with yourself, others, and the world at large. The Three Petals: Where the Infinite meets the Intimate.

Part 1: Am I Really Awake?

Well, of course I’m embodied. I take a shower every morning, put my clothes on afterwards, eat my breakfast, and drive to work. I can bench-press 350 pounds and do yoga every day. How could I not be in my body if I’m doing all these things that obviously require a sense of physical awareness? I don’t see why I’d need this ‘embodied awakening’ stuff—I’m already awake.”

It’s a common belief that if you engage in physical activities like exercise, yoga, or manual labor, that you must surely be fully “in” your body, right? But being in the body means much more than simply moving it around or being aware of where your limbs are in space. Embodied awakening involves a deeper convergence of mind, emotion, and sensation. It’s not just about knowing you have a body; it’s about fully inhabiting it, feeling and integrating the subtle cues, emotional undercurrents, and energetic flows that most of us unconsciously tune out.

When you shower, do you feel the warmth of the water and the texture of your skin with mindful presence, or is your mind racing through a to-do list? When you lift weights, are you listening to the minute signals your muscles are sending, notice your changing breathing patterns, or are you powering through on autopilot, driven by mental goals? These day-to-day actions can be done from a purely “in the head” standpoint, focusing on end results and external performance rather than from a place of genuine embodiment, where every movement is an invitation to deepen your connection with yourself. Thus, the question isn’t “Are you living in a body?” We all are, by default. But rather “How consciously and intimately are you relating to it, physically, emotionally, energetically, and spiritually?”

Hello and welcome to The Three Petals, a podcast dedicated to exploring the synergy of three essential aspects of spiritual awakening: awareness, embodiment, and relationality. I’m your host Jim Trofatter and I’m glad you could join me today. In today’s episode we’re going to explore the foundational question: What is embodied awakening? We’ll explore its depth, its meaning, and through this and future episodes we’ll explore how it differs from other forms of awakening.

Part 2: Eastern Traditions

So…“What is embodied awakening?” Let’s begin with the term awakening. We introduced this term in episode 1, but let’s explore it in more detail. Awakening, for many, conjures images of spiritual enlightenment, moments of transcendence, bliss, and profound realization.

In the Buddhist framework, awakening generally points to a particular moment or it could be a process where one recognizes the true nature of reality over time. It is characterized by impermanence or anicca, unsatisfactoriness or dukkha, and non-self or anattā. This is often considered the same realization that leads to the end of suffering and the cessation of mental afflictions. The term Bodhi or awakened wisdom captures the essence of this experience, seeing through illusions of separateness and experiencing the interdependence of all things. While “enlightenment” and “awakening” can be used interchangeably in Buddhism, many modern teachers favor the word awakening to emphasize it as an ongoing process rather than a single event.

Zen places particular importance on direct experience, where the practitioner “wakes up” to the reality of non-duality, seeing through illusions of self and other. Kenshō refers to an initial insight or glimpse into one’s true nature, while Satori can be understood as a more profound or sustained form of that realization. In both cases, “awakening” suggests piercing through habitual, conditioned thinking and encountering one’s mind as it is, clear, spacious, and intrinsically whole. Rather than an intellectual understanding, awakening in Zen is often described as a radical shift in perception that influences every facet of life.

In Hindu contexts, “awakening” generally involves realizing the unity of the individual self or ātman with the universal consciousness, Brahman. While it may sometimes be synonymous with “enlightenment,” many Hindus use the term “awakening” to describe the experience of gradually waking up to this truth through meditation, devotion, or self-inquiry. For instance, in Rāja Yoga or Advaita Vedānta, samādhi is a meditative absorption that can lead to insight into the non-dual nature of reality. This awakening signifies breaking free from ignorance or avidyā about one’s real identity, recognizing the eternal, changeless Self beneath the shifting appearances of the world.

Part 3: Western Traditions

There are also Western spiritual traditions in which profound awakenings occur. In the mystical Islamic tradition of Sufism, “awakening” generally refers to a step-by-step unveiling of spiritual truths, culminating in the realization of closeness or even unity with the Divine Reality…Allah. Key aspects include the Path of Love and Remembrance (Dhikr (day-kerr) where the constant remembrance of God’s names and attributes purifies the heart from worldly attachments. Followed by Fanā’ (fen-ah) which is the dissolution or annihilation of one’s ego-identity in the divine presence, often described as a state where the self is absorbed by love for God. And then comes Baqā’ (Baa-Kaa) which represents a stable abiding in God’s essence, where the individual self returns, but deeply transformed and aligned with the Divine will. This leads to Gnosis or Ma‘rifa (ma-AA-rif-faah), direct knowledge of God’s reality. For the Sufi, this knowledge is more heart-centered and experiential than intellectual.

Forms of “awakening” can also be found in the Christian mystical traditions. Christian mystics often frame “awakening” as a profound encounter with the Divine presence, sometimes described as an inner rebirth or the realization that “God dwells within.” This may involve either a Conversion or Metanoia which is a deep inner change of heart that shifts one’s entire outlook, often sparked by grace or a personal revelation of God’s love. Or it may arise through a purification and Illumination process which involves the shedding of ego-driven desires and opening to divine light. Mystics like St. John of the Cross and St. Teresa of Ávila detail stages like the Dark Night of the Soul that is a period of spiritual dryness or testing leading to Illumination and Union where Union or the Unitive State is a profound oneness with God, characterized by overwhelming love, peace, and a sense of being guided by the Holy Spirit. The feeling isn’t that the self becomes God, but that one participates or abides in God’s own life and love sometimes called “theosis” in Eastern Christianity. Although language varies across denominations, the core idea is that awakening is a transformative alignment of the human soul with the Divine will, generating a deep sense of love, humility, and service.

Within the New Age movement, the term “awakening” often points to a personal shift in consciousness marked by growing self-awareness, heightened intuition, and an expanded sense of connection with a broader cosmic or spiritual reality. Unlike some more established traditions with clearly defined doctrines, New Age perspectives on awakening can be quite eclectic, and sometimes loosely defined. Practitioners might explore a wide array of modalities, from energy healing such as Reiki, chakra balancing and shamanic practices to past-life regression and channeled communications with angels or spirit guides. The idea of aligning with a “Higher Self” is central, suggesting that each person carries an innate wisdom or divine spark waiting to be recognized and cultivated.

This approach also leaves room for more unconventional identities and concepts, like viewing oneself as a Starseed, a soul originating from other star systems or dimensions. Or interpreting synchronistic events as messages from higher realms. Rather than relying on hierarchical lineages or strict doctrines, many in the New Age community adopt a “follow-your-resonance” philosophy, encouraging seekers to experiment with various practices until they find the ones that feel most authentic. At its heart, the New Age vision of awakening is about stepping into a more empowered, heart-centered way of being, where personal growth, universal love, and spiritual freedom converge into a unique, individualized path.

All of these traditions see awakening as a transformative shift in perception or being, an opening of awareness beyond ordinary ego-based thinking. It often involves a sense of liberation, expanded perspective, compassion, and unity with life. In essence, while details vary from tradition to tradition, the heart of “awakening” involves recognizing a deeper reality that transcends ordinary limitations ushering in a life guided by greater clarity, peace, and interconnectedness.

Part 4: What Actually Awakens

“What actually awakens in an individual during an awakening event?” depends on the tradition or framework you’re looking through. However, many spiritual paths share at least one central idea: what awakens is a deeper recognition of who or what you really are beyond your ordinary, conditioned sense of self. The common thread these traditions have is that there is a shift in identity from a limited, separate ego to a broader, more expansive sense of being, there is a release of habitual thought patterns that once obscured a more peaceful, loving, and interconnected reality, and there is a newfound clarity or recognition that life’s deepest truth is both within you and all around you. They’re generally pointing to the same core experience: the unveiling of a more spacious, unified, and ultimately more authentic aspect of what you’ve always been.

But why, as a species, aren’t we all awake? Does this mean there’s something fundamentally broken in the human psyche? From the viewpoint of many spiritual and philosophical traditions, the answer is no. Humans are not viewed as inherently “flawed” or “wrong.” Rather, we’re seen as living under certain illusions and limitations, what some might call “ignorance” or “misperception”, that clouds our understanding of who and what we truly are. These illusions often revolve around a strong sense of separateness: we perceive ourselves as isolated individuals, disconnected from the wholeness of life and nature and from the deeper dimensions of our own being. This misperception can lead to suffering, fear, and confusion, preventing us from experiencing the innate clarity, love, and wisdom that lie at the core of our existence. Consequently, the journey toward awakening is less about fixing something broken and more about uncovering or remembering a truth that has been obscured, yet remains ever-present beneath the surface of ordinary awareness.

But what actually gives rise to these limitations, illusions, and feelings of disconnection? Observing other animal species on the planet, it’s easy to notice that they don’t appear to wrestle with existential crises. Though one might argue that some dogs are neurotic and many cats display a lofty sense of entitlement. Still, the kind of deep, persistent angst that haunts humans doesn’t typically surface in the animal kingdom. One key difference lies in our highly developed capacity for abstract thought and self-reflection. While this advanced intellect allows us to create art, develop technology, and contemplate the cosmos, it also paves the way for overthinking, rumination, and the illusion of a separate, isolated self. Animals, by contrast, generally operate from an immediate, instinctual awareness, grounded firmly in the present moment and less prone to mental stories about the future or past. The very gifts of intellect and imagination that enable us to innovate and evolve can also drive us into cycles of doubt, fear, and perceived separation from the natural world that birthed us. As a result, humans often feel cut off from the very rhythms and ecosystems that support our existence, an irony rooted in the very consciousness that makes us so uniquely human. But what specifically is happening to make us feel so disconnected from the very nature that spawned us?

When I began to look back on my spiritual path, I realized how dissociated I was from my body. When I had my initial embodied awakening the first thought was that I felt like I had finally come home. My next thought was, well where had I been living prior to that? A moment of reflection showed me that was I was living in the region within and around my head. Why did I reside there and not within my total body? And if I was born fully embodied, when did I move into my head region? When I was finally able to unearth my pain and trauma as a child, it became quite clear why I was dissociated like this. Why would I want to stay in a body when it hurt so damn much? It made sense that I would dissociate at some level, but why the head region? As I’ve worked with many people over the years, everyone seems to be residing around their heads. Well, if everyone else was doing it, why wouldn’t I? That could be one rationale. I was simply empathetically attuning to everyone around me, my friends and family, to fit in, so I didn’t feel like such an outsider. If that meant living up in the head space, then fine. But still why is everyone in or around their heads? We will explore this in more depth in future episodes, but for now we’re going to do a cursory exploration of this topic.

Part 5: Trauma

When a body receives a sudden traumatic impact or chronic, repetitive injury over time, it tends to constrict the muscles in the region around the insult. This constriction tends to numb the region that is registering the pain so that any further injury is not felt as deeply or not at all. However, when we constrict a part of our body, our awareness is also removed from that part of the body, that is, we dissociated from or become unconscious to, that part of the body. As humans, over time, we receive so much overstimulation to our bodies that by the time we’re young adults, most of the body is at some level of constriction, thus we are numb to most sensations and dissociated from much of our body. The place that we tend to move to, is the region around the head which is usually associated with the mind. All humans do this as a survival mechanism.

My work with students in Trillium Awakening suggests that those who undergo an initial Whole-Being Realization often describe it as “coming home” or “landing” more fully in their bodies. This observation leads me to suspect that simply by growing up human on this planet, most of us experience some degree of dissociation, potentially even mild to severe forms of post-traumatic stress. The sheer number of people relying on alcohol, marijuana, recreational drugs, social media, or television for emotional numbing is staggering. We see patterns of negative thoughts, avoidance, hyperarousal, hypervigilance, self-destructive behaviors, and anxiety-related sleep disturbances. All of these, I believe, point to a widespread disconnection from our own bodies and the richness of our lived experience.

But it’s not just our individual trauma we experience. Because of the collective unconscious field that all humans are immersed in, we also experience the pain and trauma of the collective even if we don’t realize we are. And it’s not just the recent pain, it’s all pain that has ever happened. If we consider the amount of trauma that has happened just over the last ten millennia and the high potentiality that the collective human mind or psychic field impacts and influences the psyche of all humans, then it becomes understandable why humans are very dissociated from their bodies at this time. In every moment of every day, I am actually feeling all human trauma across time and space. That pain and suffering is so monumental that it overwhelms my human nervous system and my mind causing me to want to constrict and move away from the pain.

Part 6: The Further Origins of Dissociation

It is my belief also that the origin of this dissociation goes back even further in time, to the arising of sapience in proto-humans. First, it’s most likely the body-mind of the proto-human animal, like any other animal, was intimately immersed in the Biosphere of the Earth in which it evolved. The Biosphere is that thin living layer from the depths of the ocean to the fringes of outer space. Our body-minds arose within the evolutionary dynamics of the Biosphere or Nature and without it we would not exist. However, at the arising of sapience the body-mind seems to have split into body and mind, no longer an indivisible whole. The mind became associated with a new separate psychic domain called by some, the Noosphere, a domain that appears separate from the Biosphere. So, the mind fractured into a psychic domain that was no longer touched by biological evolution, a domain in which the mind perceives itself to be free of the body and which is now free to evolve independently of the body. Thus, the arising of sapience was the initial separation of the human mind from its body and therefore nature.

Second, to compound this initial separation, the ability to self-reflect creates an empathetic and psychic disconnection in humans from the Biosphere. The presence of a sense of “I” immediately creates the sense of “other.” I am here, you are there. And that the normal psychosomatic processes that don’t affect the “identity” of a deer, have become overwhelming to the sense of “I” of the early human. The “I” is very fragile until work centered around establishing what “I” actually is can be done. Considering that such work wasn’t available 50 or 60,000 years ago, the fragile sense of “I” did what it could to cope with its survival.

Life was tough, but early tribal culture helped secure a modicum of safety for the individual. The sense of “us” versus “them” was still present with tribal culture and even though violence within a tribe was negligible, violence between tribes was not. Though tribal warfare typically was not a 24/7 threat. The arrival of the City-State threw all that into turmoil and it’s been constant warfare ever since. We are now a species immersed in violence and that very violence makes it hard to establish a stable sense of who we are. It’s true that the violence is not happening on every street corner, but the presence of violence: genocide, warfare, societal and cultural violence is always present in the psychic field as is the history of all that violence. We inherit the disconnection from our parents, from our ancestors, from our society and from the global unconscious collective mind.

For those deeply affected by the struggles of the human body and psyche, the allure of a method that promises escape can be irresistible. Transcendent practices, with their focus on rising “above” the messiness of human existence, offer an apparent refuge from pain and suffering. As the mind becomes increasingly clear through disciplined meditation or contemplation, it can begin to see everything outside of itself—body, emotions, thoughts, and even the natural world—as illusory. In this view, only the timeless, empty essence of pure consciousness is deemed truly real.

While this approach can yield profound states of insight and serenity, it often comes at the cost of disowning the fullness of embodied life. The very practices designed to free us from suffering can inadvertently promote a deep-seated disconnection from our physical and emotional selves—reinforcing the notion that “up and out” is the path to salvation. Yet for many, the drive to transcend eventually gives way to a longing to return home to the body, to feel life’s richness and vulnerability in each moment rather than avoid it.

I believe that the first step to healing this suffering and separation is recognizing and owning that we might actually be numb to most of our internal experience and living from a somewhat dissociated state, that the initial embodied awakening all humans need to have is getting the mind reconnected to the body, from the Noosphere back into the Biosphere. The human mind which separated away during the arising of sapience, is simply reconnecting to the Biosphere. That’s all that is happening in the initial stages of embodied awakening. This takes all the mystery away from the work. We’re a dissociated species getting over our dissociation. Of course, this is just the first step in the enlightenment process, but it’s a crucial step. As long as we only develop the mind we are dissociated from our bodies. The reintroduction into the Biosphere reconnects the human body-mind with the unified Earth field and all that entails: with that comes a profound sense of interdependence with all creation, a sense of safety and being held, peacefulness and, if it hasn’t already been experience, a deepening of the non-dual existing simultaneously with the tangibility of duality.

Part 7: The Core Wound

Let’s delve even more deeply into this idea of separation. Most spiritual teachings propose that our universe is inherently dualistic, a realm defined by opposites like “this and that,” “here and there,” “up and down.” In other words, existence is expressed through contrast rather than wholeness. This dynamic sets up an underlying tension, a wanting to pull back from separation toward the seamlessness of totality. It’s precisely this drive for reconnection that fuels the spiritual path, an impulse shared not only by individual seekers but, in a metaphorical sense, by the universe itself. We’re born with a subtle or even not-so-subtle existential angst that reminds us of our apparent disconnection, while at the same time urging us toward deeper integration.

In Trillium Awakening, this experience is referred to as the Core Wound or Core Paradox. It emerges as a fundamental sense of split within us, typically showing up as existential angst, inner confusion, a feeling of separateness, or a persistent sense of insufficiency. The root cause is that we are simultaneously finite human beings, limited by our bodies, minds, and life circumstances, and boundless consciousness, indivisible from the cosmos at large. This paradox can generate feelings of contraction and pain, especially when we haven’t yet recognized, relaxed into, or accepted our dual nature. Even those who have had awakenings may still feel this tension arise, though it’s no longer viewed as a problem in need of resolution.

After an initial Whole-Being Realization, this core paradox becomes conscious and more easily embraced. Rather than trying to “fix” it, we begin to see it as a guiding mystery, a reminder of the interwoven nature of our humanity and our infinite essence. Life continues to offer waves of contraction and expansion, each one drawing us into a fuller understanding of what it means to be simultaneously limited and limitless, separate yet inseparable. By holding this paradox gently, we discover a dynamic dance that leads us ever closer to our wholeness, rather than driving us away from it.

Thus, we begin to see that embodied awakening isn’t about escaping the body or transcending the human experience. It’s about bringing mind down into the body and fully inhabitingour humanity, embracing our existential angst of separation and becoming a unified body-mind again. So often, spirituality is presented as something lofty and disembodied, as if being human is a troublesome problem to overcome. But what if the body, the place where we feel, hurt, and love, is not a barrier but a gateway to awakening? Embodied awakening is the realization that you are not just the awareness witnessing your life.

Part 8: How Embodied Awakening Feels

You might wonder, “What does embodied awakening actually feel like when it happens?” Instead of a single, earth-shattering moment where you “arrive” forever changed, it’s better understood as an unfolding process, one that continues to deepen and integrate over time.

In its most subtle form, it can feel like a deep relaxation into yourself, where the usual inner conflicts begin to soften. You no longer feel like you’re wrestling with your thoughts, emotions, or physical sensations. Instead, there’s a growing sense of safety within your own skin, a calm realization that you’re finally and fundamentally okay, even when life is less than ideal. This doesn’t mean you never experience pain, fear, or confusion; rather, you relate to these challenges from a more spacious place.

For me, I had a sense that some aspect of myself was standing on my head above my physical body. It was suggested by my teacher that I invite that part above me to come into my body. Suddenly there was a whoosh downwards. It felt like my insides rearranged themselves into a more optimal orientation and I felt a connection to nature that had been missing most of my adult life. For some, however, the process might ooze in over a number of days, weeks, months and even years. There is no wrong way to have this initial embodied awakening.

Simultaneously, you sense a profound connection to something greater, something boundless. It’s as if you’re anchored in your body, yet aware that you also extend far beyond it. This leads to one of the central paradoxes emphasized in Trillium Awakening: you’re both infinite awareness and a finite human being. You carry within you the vastness of consciousness, untouched by life’s dramas, and you also navigate the beautiful messiness of being human, with all your quirks, needs, and vulnerabilities.

This paradox can feel liberating once you allow yourself to hold both truths at once. You stop trying to be “perfect” or “spiritually pure,” and instead embrace your humanness: your awkward moments, your hurts, your joys, and your breakthroughs. This embracing actually enriches your relationship to life. You feel more real, more connected, and more alive, because you’re no longer rejecting any part of your experience.

From this vantage point, you realize embodied awakening isn’t about checking out from the world or living in constant bliss. It’s about being genuinely present, touching both your infinite nature and your down-to-earth human reality. It’s an ongoing dance of relationality between transcendence and embodiment, woven together in the everyday moments of your life. This is where true freedom emerges: freedom not from your body or your emotions, but in them, right here in the heart of your humanity.

Part 9: The Role of the Body

As I’ve already mentioned, in many spiritual traditions, the body is seen as something to transcend, a temporary or even illusory vehicle on the path to enlightenment. But in embodied awakening, the body is recognized as a sacred vessel for your evolution. It’s the living, breathing container where you experience the fullness of being alive: the joy of laughter, the tenderness of grief, and the wonder of each new sensation.

By integrating awakening into your body, you transform how you experience life on a fundamental level. Rather than trying to escape discomfort or strive for some disembodied bliss, you learn to meet every sensation with openness. This shift allows you to feel more grounded and real. Your feet are firmly planted on the earth, and yet you remain connected to the vastness of your infinite nature.

One of the simplest ways to initiate this journey is through somatic awareness, paying close attention to whatever sensations arise within your body. Notice the weight of your body against the chair, the soft texture of your clothing on your skin, or the steady rhythm of your breath. These seemingly mundane details become gateways to deeper presence. When you consciously attend to them, you anchor your awareness in the here and now, bridging the gap between the infinite and the tangible.

In Trillium Awakening, we often emphasize that the body is not an obstacle but a vital ally in awakening. It’s the place where life unfolds moment by moment. Tuning into its signals, tingling warmth, tightening muscles, or fluttering in the belly, can reveal insights about your emotional states and help you navigate life with greater clarity. Over time, this embodied engagement infuses everyday experiences with a sacred quality. Something as ordinary as washing the dishes becomes an act of presence, a chance to feel the water on your hands and the simple joy of caring for your environment.

Ultimately, recognizing the body as a sacred vessel doesn’t mean idolizing it or expecting it to be perfect. It means honoring it as an ever-present guide that grounds your spiritual insights into lived reality. By bringing infinite Awareness fully into the finite vehicle of your physical form, you reclaim every cell of your body as part of your awakening. This isn’t just a shift in perspective, it's a profound, ongoing practice of letting life flow through you without resistance, one breath at a time.

Part 10: A Guided Practice

Let’s take a few minutes to practice together. This is a modification of a Realization Process exercise by Judith Blackstone. Don’t do this if you’re driving or working dangerous machinery. First, find a comfortable position. Let your body settle in your chair or on ground as if you have roots that extend down into the Earth. Close your eyes if you feel safe to do so otherwise keep your eyes open. Begin by taking a few deep breaths, in through your nose and out through your mouth. Allow the exhales to be just a little bit longer than the inhales. Allow each inhale to deepen your internal contact with yourself. Now, bring your attention to the location where you feel that you experience the world from. This may be in or around your head, down in your body somewhere or even at the other end of the universe. From that position become aware of your hands. They may be down there somewhere. Just be aware of your hands from the position of “I am aware of my hands.” Now, feel like you move down and actually inhabit the inside of your hands. It doesn’t need to be a big shift. It could be a subtle sensation of dropping out of your head space into your body and hands. Try to get as close to your hands as possible. Notice the sensations. Now, slowly go back and forth from the initial awareness of your hands back down into your hands. Notice any subtle shifts as you go back and forth. Finally rest where you feel most comfortable be it in your hands or wherever your initial awareness is. Just sit with all the sensations that are arising. When you’re ready, take three conscious deep breaths and gently open your eyes maintaining that intimate contact with your body.

Part 11: Closing Thoughts

Embodied awakening may sound simple in theory—just come back into your body, right? But if you’ve spent much of your life feeling unsafe in your own skin, that “simple” act can stir up old conditioning and unresolved trauma. Rather than forcing rapid progress, it’s crucial to meet yourself with gentleness and patience. Even spending a few conscious moments fully present in your body can kickstart the integration process that leads to genuine embodied awakening. This path isn’t about reaching a destination; it’s about learning to hold yourself with kindness and compassion at every step. In doing so, you create the internal safety that allows you to inhabit your body more fully, transforming what once felt overwhelming into a journey of self-love.

Thank you for joining me today. If any this resonates with you, I encourage you to subscribe, share this podcast, and leave a review. Until next time, remember: awakening isn’t something you achieve. It’s something you allow.

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